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Real Estate Buyers and Sellers and ALL of Our Prevailing Attitudes

                             Real Estate Buyers and Sellers and The Attitudes of People Today

Realtor and real estate buyers and sellersToday I’m going to tell a real estate story. This is a story of a hypothetical real estate transaction, and the parties involved. I chose to tell this story in a manner that is obviously slanted toward one side, but that’s not really the point. It could easily be told from a different angle. Regardless, don’t get overly focused on the story of real estate. It’s about people. It’s about attitudes. It’s about the way people have changed in the last few years. It’s about the kind of person you are, or want to be... or DON’T want to be! Hold onto your seat and remember this is hypothetical, but also do some introspection!      ........................................

In today’s real estate buyer’s market, with many “deals” to be had, many buyers are looking for a “steal”.  I’m sure most real estate agents are aware of this. But there’s a big problem in this area that is getting bigger every day...  There’s a difference between a “deal” and a “steal”. And with real estate values leveling out, trying to get a steal typically offends a seller, and can lead to a stalemate.

Let’s think this through... Sellers are having to sell their homes for much less than what they paid. It’s a horrible position for these sellers to be in. They know they’re already having to give real estate buyers a deal, and they’re not exactly thrilled about it. It’s not that they don’t know that the market has drastically declined. Most sellers have resigned themselves to that fact. And the sellers who are listening to the advice of their REALTORS®, have priced their available real estate listing in accordance with the current buying and selling real estatemarket value... which in itself is a “deal” for real estate buyers!

Now here’s the problem I’ve been seeing for the last few years, but most especially in 2009. Buyers want a “steal”! And sellers are willing (they have no choice anyway) to sell their property at a good “deal”... but NOT a “steal”! So along comes a buyer who, in search of a “steal”, makes an offer that offends the seller. After presenting this offer to the seller, the listing agent listens patiently as the seller vents their frustrations about the market, their loss of all their savings, their loss of equity, the probability that they’ll have to bring money to the table in order to sell their home (or whatever type of real estate investment they have listed), and the end result is that particular seller not wanting to work with the buyer who made the offensive offer.

At this point, the possibility of a successful transaction seems to be out of the question. But a good REALTOR® is usually able to reason with their client, along with giving them a little bit of time and space to think about it, and frequently the seller will calm down and decide to make a counter-offer that they’re not really happy about, but is at least closer to the amount they need to net.

So the listing agent now presents the counter-offer to the selling agent, who then presents it to the buyer. But the buyer is now angry. They want a steal! And now the selling agent listens patiently as the buyer gives all their reasons why they should not have to pay more than what they offered. frustrated about real estate negotiating

Most likely, the selling agent has already shown comparable sales of similar real estate listings that have recently sold, to the buyer before the first offer was made. If not, they would/should do so at this point. Assuming these comps have already been shown to this real estate buyer, the selling agent and buyers should now go back over the comps together and possibly narrow down the comps a bit more. They may even take into account the possibility that the market has not yet stabilized (if that area is still in decline). The selling REALTOR® will probably also remind the buyer that in order to obtain financing, the home/real estate listing will have to appraise. And banks are NOT currently lending money on real estate that leaves any chance that they might lose money on their collateral.

The process sounds stressful, but reasonable so far... doesn’t it? Well here’s where things get really frustrating. Bear in mind, the seller is still offended by the first offer. And the buyer is angry because they wanted a steal (not a deal). So the buyer ignores the comparable sales, and even the assurance that the potential real estate purchase will have to appraise. And the buyer makes another low offer on the already reduced price they got when the seller made a counter-real estate frustrationoffer.

When the selling agent presents this offer to the listing agent, these REALTORS® already know the stress levels are about to hit the fan... and we’re not even talking about a bank-owned property! You can triple the amount of stress and frustration for ALL parties involved in those types of transactions!

So the seller receives the new offer to purchase their house. Sure enough, this time the explosion is heard throughout the neighborhood. And again, the listing agent must sit patiently and wait for the seller to vent all their frustration. At this point, there may or may not be another counter-offer from the seller! Many sellers, after losing so much money, and doing all they can to not lose their home before having a chance to sell it; will channel so much anger in the direction of this particular buyer that they will not want to sell their home to them at all. And many times, this is where the negotiations come to a halt. However, the listing agent may be able to get the seller to make another counter-offer. Only this next counter-offer will most likely be only a hair lower than their last counter-offer. The sellers are nearing the end of their rope.

So the listing agent once again presents this counter-offer to the selling agent, who already knows that the buyer is also not going to be happy! And surely enough, we repeat the previous events... buyer yells and vents; selling agent refers back to the comps and reminds buyer that there will be an appraisal, and even offers to add a clause that the buyer will not proceed with the sale if the property does not appraise. But the buyer still wants a steal! stop........................................

OK. So I could continue on with the many possibilities that could happen from this point on. The sale may or may not reach a successful closing. But if it does (and here’s my point to all this), the only way either side of this transaction will be truly happy with this sale is if they feel like they made the other party “bleed”! You can take this entire scenario and use the examples in reverse. The events and outcome will be the same... people are no longer willing to compromise. And without compromise, there can be no successful negotiation.

I’ve heard many buyers say that they feel this way because of their inability to buy real estate during the sellers’ market. It’s that frustration that is causing them to be unyielding in negotiations. And most of us can understand a bit of that logic. But bear in mind, a property is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay. And for several years, buyers were willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money so they could “keep up with the Jones’s”. And none of us can go backward in history, and change that period of time. We can only work with what is happening right now. And right now, many parts of the country have reached their leveling off point in real estate. Some areas are even starting to see an increase again. Every area is different, and REALTORS® must present comps to potential real estate buyers and sellers, on a “hyper-local” scale. If the comps are not there to support the price being asked, then that particular property is NOT worth the asking price! But if the comps ARE there, then the listing agent and the seller(s) have done their homework and priced that listing properly. Negotiating is to be be the change you want to see in the worldexpected. But they don’t have to “bleed” and/or give potential buyers a “steal”.

I want to reiterate that this entire scenario can be presented in reverse. I’m not trying to just pick on buyers. There are many sellers who have over-priced their listings, and potential buyers have every right to offer an amount that is based on current, comparable sales. But my real concern is the prevailing attitude among many real estate buyers AND sellers, that they will not be happy unless the end result was a “steal”. The prevalent ME, ME, ME attitude leaves no possibility for successful negotiations. Someone, somehow, MUST COMPROMISE!

One of my very successful clients, who at one time was near the top of the rankings in a Fortune 100 corporation, once told me that his definition of a successful transaction was... when both sides of the transaction walk away happy; feeling like they got a good deal. Neither side felt like they had been taken advantage of. Both sides had made compromises, and had reached a successful conclusion, and were now able to sit together at the closing table with no hard feelings toward each other....   I’ve always remembered that statement. It’s common sense. It’s logical. And it’s pretty darn close to The Golden Rule... "Do Unto Others As You Would HAVE THEM Do Unto You"!

So what has happened in society to cause so many people to be selfish, unyielding and even downright rude? I’m not talking about just real estate here. I know that times are tough. Just ask any real estate agent, mortgage broker or lender, home inspector, title company, appraiser, surveyor, stager, or anyone in the real estate industry.... or anyone in any type of sales, for that matter, because that’s what I’ve been doing. I’ve been asking. And I’m getting the same story all around. When it comes to buying, people today are not happy unless they feel like they really “got one over on them”. And that’s the story they want to be able to proudly tell to anyone who will listen!

So what is my reason for writing this post? I’m hoping it will cause each of us to take a good look inside ourselves and do a “pride” check. Are our actions displaying “haughty” (prideful-not in the good way), “selfish”, “self-centered”, “ugly” behaviors? Or are we acting in a manner that is “kind”, “compassionate”, “understanding”, “giving” and willing to see things from the opposite perspective?

What kind of world do you want to live in? Because it all starts with you, and me. This is not about a little story of real estate buyers and sellers. It’s about people. It’s about compassion. It’s about being the kind of person who will bring about positive change in this world.

I know what kind of person I want to be. How about you?

"Be the change you want to see in the world."

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28 commentsLisa Hill (Daytona Beach Real Estate) • December 24 2009 09:15AM

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Has it occurred to home sellers and/or their agent understant that the buyer knows full well the seller's predicament and is determined to avoid entering into a transaction whereby the buyer will find themselves in a risky value condition?????

The seller can always say no.

Relief for home sellers can't be expected to come from home buyers.

Posted by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate 2 months ago

It's a tough situation when the sellers NEED to sell and there are plenty of folks willing to buy but at a much lower price. Both parties can agree or not, of course. And when the emotions enter into it the sotuation belongs far more complicated, adn sometimes ugly.  I have no issue with buyers trying to get the best deal they can; what I don't like are buyers just throwing around numbers, deal after deal, or all at once, to see if something will stick. But that' their choice... not mine, however.

Jeff

Posted by Jeff Dowler ~ Carlsbad Real Estate ~ 760-840-1360 (RE/MAX Moonlight Beach (CA DRE Lic. # 01490977)) 2 months ago

You concluded just as I see it, it is about being someone bringing a positive change to the world. Enjoyed reading your post. Thanks.

Posted by Choice Realty of Tennessee, LLC 2 months ago

This is one of the best overviews of the compromise vs winner take all approach.  I know you will have AR members come down squarely on either side of this blog.   I believe we all approach this with the commitment and idea to get the best possible outcome for our client.

Thankfully, for the most part, I do not attract the type of clientel that desire to leave a trail of emotional destruction in their wake.    Most of my clients realize, the total transaction is measured by much more than the negotation process - that is only the beginning of the buyer-seller relationship.    

 

Posted by Cathy McAlister, GRI CDPE - Broker / Sacramento 2 months ago

I do agree that some buyers want a steal.  I don't think these are the buyers who actually need to purchase a home.  Our buyers that need to purchase are pretty realistic to market conditions and are not looking for blood, looking for a steal because that type of strategy isn't that successful right now.

Posted by Morgan Evans-New York City Real Estate Expert (Prudential Douglas Elliman) 2 months ago

We all run into the types you describe - fortunately I have the wisdom to avoid them - excellent post

Posted by Karen Kruschka - Prince William, Fairfax ,Stafford County VA Real Estate Service (RE/MAX Olympic Realty) 2 months ago

I wonder about 'sitting patiently' while they rant. Lots of people work themselves up more and more as they go on and on. It seems better to cut that off (nicely, of course) and bring the discussion back to the business at hand.

Posted by Joetta Fort - Realtor Denver Colorado Real Estate (The DiGiorgio Group) 2 months ago

The win-win attitude is obviously why that induvidual you describe was a Fortune 100 leader.  I was in Orange country CA when the reverse market was the case and each listing got 4-10 offers withing 24 hours of being listed.  In that market only 1 buyer would be accepted so there was much emotion both with buyers and sellers but also with agents representing their clients to try to be first to get accepted.  This is a good reminder that at all times as agents we need to treat all parties with respect and lead thru example, regardless of what attitudes our clients protray.  But as agents we do have a responsibility to present any and all offers.  It's a decision which clients you choose to work with.

Posted by Ann Dail, Broker/Realtor,ePRO, SRS, B.A.Chem (Baton Rouge Area Homes, Louisiana, 225-761-0551) 2 months ago
Sounds like an awful lot of emotions to have in a real estate deal. I've always felt my job was to get the emotions out of the way so we can take care of business. Some deals just aren't meant to be. If the buyer and seller can't come to terms then so be it. We just find another buyer. No biggie.
Posted by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc 2 months ago
So true! I gave a a few listings that are priced according to comps. I have recently gotten 2 offers on 2 different houses that were 30-40k below asking price. Which of course offended both sellers and went sour from there. Needless to say neither sold.
Posted by Trisha Pennington (Coldwell Banker Reilly & Sons) 2 months ago

Nice post.  There are a lot of emotions in real estate transactions.  What is being sold is often more than just a place to live, but a dream and a security blanket.  When dreams are dashed and the blanket is ripped away, then people do get emotional. 

 

Posted by Daniel Bretzke (Better Properties RE Seattle King ) 2 months ago

As professionals, it's our job to to minimize emotions and focus on the facts of the market.  Sellers are not forced to accept any offer.  I recently sold a piano for about half of what I was asking.  But after trying to sell it for a year and getting no offers, I realized this was my buyer and I took the offer!

Posted by Karen Pannell (Karen Pannell Real Estate) 2 months ago

Buyers right now are truly wanting to get a nice house for a steal.  There is another post today talking about how foreclosures are always trashed.  And, of course, those buyers don't want to have anything to do with those houses.  But, at the end of the day, it is the seller's decision.  I always want a peaceful, win-win transaction but that just doesn't always happen.

Posted by Emily Lowe - Nashville TN Realtor (The Lipman Group Sotheby's International Realty) 2 months ago

The only way the steal happens in LA right now is if it is a traditional sale and a seller has a ton of equity, is in a huge hurry to sell and they are the only offer.  Probably less than 1%!  People need to get realistic.  If they wanted a steal they should have bought 18 months ago!

Posted by Wendy Rich-Soto (Keller Williams) 2 months ago

I have a buyer right now who is looking for a steal which isn't always easy to find.

Thanks for the post.

Happy Holidays!

Posted by J. David Lampe, Web Savvy REALTOR (Denver Real Estate Group) 2 months ago

Lisa,

Great Post.  I agree a lot of buyers want a steal.

Thanks for sharing,

Matt Naumann

Posted by Matthew Naumann (Exit Realty Charleston Group) 2 months ago

There are no steals anymore in metro Detroit.  There are deals but the market has changed here

Posted by Russ Ravary - Michigan Homes for sale - Michigan Real estate & Mortgage info (Remerica Hometown One) 2 months ago

Lisa,

I'm picking up on a theme of perception. Perception being subjective relative to reality's objectivity. It doesn't matter what the dollars are, if the deal is perceived as a steal.

Posted by Andrew Haslett, Heartland of Kentucky's Best Home Inspector, (Van Warren Home Inspections, NAHI CRI) 2 months ago

Some people dont understand win win situations and how to make things come together.  Its not that hard if people get over their ego.

Posted by Chuck Carstensen (Re/max Associates Plus/The Discovery Coach) 2 months ago

It is not the job of the buyers or their agents to solve the sellers problems. If the sale of the home helps in this regard, great., but the buyers are looking to buy a house.

Posted by James Lyon (Vista Pacific Realty) 2 months ago

Buyers are no different today than before.  They have always wanted a great deal.  Sellers are also no different today than before.  They have always wanted the most they can get.  To think differently is to buy into the notion that this predicament should be accompanied by compassion on the buyer's part.  I say give me a break!

Best to step back and understand it's always been "offer and acceptance."  Lowballs are not new!

Posted by Frank Castaldini (Coldwell Banker DRE#01436605) 2 months ago

Lisa - Emotions seem to run high whenever sellers are losing big, and I have encountered a lot of buyers who (as you stated here) really want a "steal" instead of a solid "deal".  I feel like much of our work these days is spent as psychologists/counselors.

Posted by Jason Crouch, Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (512-796-7653) (Austin Texas Homes, LLC) 2 months ago

Thank you to everyone who commented. And I got what I expected... a wide array of opinions and experiences. But unfortunately, in our area, we're finding that people in general... no matter what the industry... do NOT want a WIN/WIN situation. It's the desire for a WIN/LOSE form soooo many people that is causing concern.

In this post, I asked that we ned get hung up on the slant, or even the fact that it's real estate. I'm addressing the negative, selfish attititudes from those who will not be happy unless they can brag to their friends about the WIN/LOSE "steal" that they got.

I'd like to see more comments addressing this problem. I'd like to know if this is a wide-spread problem throughout the nation, or if it's primarily localized in our area. Because without exemption, every single sales professional with whom I've spoken has said that THIS WIN/LOSE determination is what they're experiencing from their customers and clients.

 

Posted by Lisa Hill (Daytona Beach Real Estate) (Florida Property Experts) 2 months ago

If a seller needs to sell it certainly weakens the bargaining position and as Lenn says there uill be no relief from a buyer! Congrats on the feature and I also wanted to wish you and your family a very merry Christmas!

Posted by Russell Lewis, Broker,CLHMS,GRI (AvenueOne Properties, Austin Texas Real Estate) 2 months ago

Good post,

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year  . . . wishing you the best for 2010

Posted by Fernando Herboso Real Estate Maryland, DC and Virginia (PrimeTime Realty Homes-Foreclosures in Maryland,Rockville MD) 2 months ago

Many buyers here wanted a steal, but they're starting to find their is so much competition that some are happy just to get an accepted offer.

Posted by Christine Donovan Costa Mesa Real Estate Broker/Attorney 800-610-7253 DRE01267479 (Donovan Blatt Team - Donovan Group Realty) 2 months ago

An awesome hypothetical story - although it feels like it happens in my world EVERYDAY. Deal and steal also differs one to another.

Posted by Loreena Yeo - Broker|Realtor(R) of Frisco TX Homes (214) 783-2210 (3:16 team REALTY) 2 months ago

Buying a home should be a Win / Win, it is not that the sellers have to take a seal from a bad buyer, There is so much bad information out there at this time that buyers need to be educated on the REAL market, there are areas of Phoenix that are actually APPRECIATING

Posted by Andrew Monaghan CRS, GRI, EPro Associate Broker (Keller Williams Professional Partners) 2 months ago

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